Alex Jones Show which featured Alex Jones as the Host, Naomi Wolf as the Guest both discussing & debating Israel [vs Islam]
Discussion between Alex Jones and Naomi Wolf (Full Transcript)
Created Verbatim from the August 28, 2026 live stream of Alex Jones Show which featured Alex Jones as the Host, Naomi Wolf as the Guest both discussing & debating Israel, Hamas, Rapists, Oct 7, etc.
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Transcript of the Discussion
[00:00:09] ALEX JONES
All right, I told my producers a few weeks ago, I said, I want Dr. Naomi Wolf on. They said, what about? I said, whatever she wants to talk about. And then I’m talking to her in the break, and she says, I want to get into the red-green alliance because as much as we want to get mad at Trump and as much as we want to get pissed off about him going sideways on some things, he’s night and day, and he’s a lame duck anyway, so get what we can get out of him. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and all the great stuff happening, at least trying to stop the Ukraine war. And so I totally agree with her. That is front and center, the takeover of the Democratic Party. I mean, I’ve got the clips we played on this week. We’re going to have a violent revolution. We’re wargaming everything. They want to collapse society, so I want to get into them. But first, Dr. Wolf, I want to ask you, because you were a top Democrat strategist before, woke up in the last really 20 years ago or whatever, when you saw the police state, the martial law plans, all of a sudden the Democrats, it wasn’t like you were enamored with the Republicans, but you said, God, this party’s really bad, and then Trump was doing so good in his first term, so good his first six months, and then went sideways. How are you gauging that? How are you balancing that? Because I will say all these good things about Trump and what he’s doing good, call balls and strikes, then I’ll say, if he wants to nuke Iran and send in ground forces, impeach him, he’s crazy. They say, impeach him. No, I said, if he does that, impeach him. So it’s a problem with the media doing that. How do you, a really smart lady, balance all of this? Because if you don’t put pressure on Trump with some of the bad influences he has, then he’ll get worse. I’ve noticed we put pressure, we get some good things out of him. But how are you dealing with the MAGA civil war and then Russia and Iran and, obviously, the looting that’s going on? And just because the Democrats did it, it’s not okay to insider trade over here. It’s very embarrassing, and I just can’t sign on to that. So how are you, in general, what is your view of that? Because I really respect that. And maybe you’re like my counselor, my psychologist here, because I’m trying to, like, what is the best moral thing to do? I’m not a lesser-of-two-evils guy, but then I look over here at the Democrats, foaming at the mouth, packing the Supreme Court plans, actual communist overthrow, and I’m just like, okay. I’m kind of like a robot that has too much information. I have smoke coming out of my ears.
[00:02:21] NAOMI WOLF
Yeah. Wow. You’ve said a mouthful. And, you know, before I dive in, I just want to say it occurred to me, looking at the date that I first spoke to you about 17 years ago, and we were both in very different places, or I was in a very different place. But I spoke to you about the end of America, and you were one of the very few people who wanted to hear or talk with me, take the discussion further, you know, confirming that America was headed in a totalitarian direction, and that the problem wasn’t one party or another, it was fascism, and that anyone can be seduced into following a fascist regime or being part of a fascist regime. So I just really want to honor you. You were so ahead of the curve, and I remember getting a lot of flack, like, oh, because I was, you know, still a darling of the liberal media then, oh, Naomi Wolf spoke to Alex Jones. Well, Alex Jones was right, and the New York Times wasn’t right, and the Wall Street Journal wasn’t right. Well, you were a trailblazer too, reaching out and saying, let’s just end this insanity, or we’re all going to get killed. I mean, so thank you. Yeah, so it’s been 17 years. I was saying 17, 20, I couldn’t remember. What an insane time we live in now. Seems like the past was like green pastures compared to this. Absolutely. Now, you know, coming up to this present moment, I don’t see things the way you do. I’m really, really grateful for President Trump in this administration, and even where, you know, one can certainly criticize or second guess individual steps of his. I think the people with whom he’s surrounded are so talented, overwhelmingly, Harmeet Dhillon, Monica Crowley, I think Secretary Rubio is unbelievable, Secretary Kennedy. I mean, these are, I can’t remember in my lifetime a group of people, Scott Bessent, who was a classmate of mine, I think. Yeah, it’s night and day compared to Kamala Harris who couldn’t form sentences.
[00:04:17] ALEX JONES
No, no, I agree with you that it’s much better with Trump. I just have this issue within almost the betrayal, though, when he goes sideways on things. And I’ve even said it, like, I get emotional, and I don’t think I’ve been balanced at some points.
[00:04:31] NAOMI WOLF
But, like, can you be specific? Because I know it’s easy to say, oh, you know, he said he’d be America first, and we’re still, you know, in a conflict in Iran six months later. But I think that that conflict is actually, and I’m a peacenik, right? I’m a dove. I don’t like war. I don’t like wars of choice. I don’t like dirty wars. I don’t like un-congressionally mandated wars, of course. But I do think that the activity against Iran is very salutary, and I think it’s making the world a lot safer. I think that it was clear that Iran was a rogue state. You know, the fact that Iran sent missiles all over the region at their own allies in addition to, you know, their stated enemies is confirmation.
[00:05:18] ALEX JONES
Sure, I mean, let’s be clear. I said when this started 180-something days ago, I could hit a button and send the mullahs to the moon, or Mars, I’d do it, or hell. But the assessments were, it wouldn’t work. I mean, so my issue was just, this could derail the economic situation.
[00:05:27] NAOMI WOLF
Well, did it?
[00:05:38] ALEX JONES
Yeah, I mean, it’s still baked in, but it looks not too hot. We look at Bessent, who’s very smart trying to fix the bond situation. I mean, we’ll find out. It’s definitely a gamble.
[00:05:48] NAOMI WOLF
I, yeah, I really just disagree with you, like, and I have so much respect for you, but at what price prosperity, right? Like, is it really prosperity if we’re worried about the funding of Islamic terrorists all over the world, including on our own shores, including people who are running for office and getting into positions of power and being funded by.
[00:06:16] ALEX JONES
And I want to go there next, but let me just put bookends on this, because here’s my thing. This is where I don’t get mad at Stephen Crowder or people that are, you know, pro-war or whatever you. I get the perspective. To me, I’m trying to think a bunch of steps down. But definitely, I’m not praising Hunter Biden, whose dad engineered the Ukraine war. I’m not mad at Trump, so I’m going with them. There does seem like an overcorrection with a lot of people there, so I think that’s another. That’s why you’re on to talk about that. So let’s speak to that, and then let’s get in to the Red-Green Alliance and the takeover of the Democratic Party and what we’re facing.
[00:06:47] NAOMI WOLF
You bet.
[00:06:51] NAOMI WOLF
So talk about why I think this war is ultimately good for us.
[00:07:50] ALEX JONES
Sure, go ahead. Is that your – okay.
[00:08:49] NAOMI WOLF
And, again, you know, my husband’s veteran. I never want any young person to be at risk for no, you know, absolutely necessary reason. Eighteen service members have lost their lives in this conflict. Each one of them is a terrible loss. At the same time, that is a – like, to put it in perspective, like real politic perspective, that is a tiny price to pay for getting – for ruling out a rogue state that makes war on its own people, that reduces women to the status of slaves, really, that executes its own people, that gives women lashes for singing in public or, you know, letting their hair be visible out of their headscarves. You could argue that none of that is our business or our problem. There are regimes around the world that do similar horrible things to their own populations and to women. But the threat that Iran presented as a nuclear threat that would not allow inspections, that wouldn’t live up to international norms and treaties proving that they were safe to be in that region, that they weren’t building a nuclear arsenal. That’s a threat – I mean, that’s a threat that someone like you usually would recognize as an existential threat. And the other thing I want to say is, you know, that Scott Bessent today, I think, or this week, announced that he was investigating and suppressing a huge set of, like, shadow banks that were funneling billions of dollars from and to Iran. And these dollars were funding terrorist organizations around the world. Well, that really matters to us because, as you and I know, we’re fighting a war here at home, even though it’s not a declared war. And, you know, churches are being set on fire all over the West. There are attacks on civilians by Muslim fundamentalists, I think, posing as refugees, all across Western Europe, increasingly in the United States. There are, like, buddies of, you know, people who said America deserved 9-11, you know, hanging out with our leadership, right? People like Zohran Mamdani in the mayor of the city where I live, New York City. People like Abdul El-Sayed, who has won his primary, right? The Democratic Socialists of America are in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood, essentially, and documented money flows to the Muslim, you know, to organizations adjacent to the Muslim Brotherhood. And through CAIR, which is, has been, like, confirmed to be funding terrorist-friendly groups, this is really, really serious.
[00:09:49] ALEX JONES
Let me back up what you’re saying from your perspective. And some listeners will go, wait a minute, you’ve been against this war, but now you’re going to argue it. I’m doing your perspective, then I’ll give you my third, fourth, fifth consequence reason I’m against it. Obama triggered the Arab Spring, overthrew Egyptian allies, blew up hundreds of churches, got caught money laundering hundreds of millions of dollars to them. He’s the same one who started the Ukraine war, that literally has us on the brink of nuclear war, with the Bidens. And so you can go, wait, Trump is opposing their agenda with Iran, with this triple game they’re running. This is good. And so I can see at one level, however, you look at it like that. I’m obviously not with the Islamists. I’m not with throwing gays off buildings. I mean, I’m Islamophobe, folks. Let’s just throw it out there. So I get all that. My issue is we’re always told we’re fighting them over there so they don’t come here. We have record numbers here with the left bringing them in. So I get the whole left-red-green alliance and that it’s the real cancer long term. I’m saying we’re post-Trump, folks. He’s got problems. Let’s try to get him to do the right thing but not be so hurt we then run and literally glaze the Democrats. And now Hunter Biden is like our priest who tells us what’s good and what’s not. And he says who’s woke and who’s not. I mean, it’s definitely an overcorrection. So I get you. That’s why I said earlier this week, I’m not infighting. They call it infighting. I’m bitching at Republicans to get what I wanted out of them. I don’t even try with Democrats.
[00:11:19] NAOMI WOLF
But what do you want? I mean, do you want Trump to pull out of the Straits of Hormuz? I mean, we’re so close to being the world’s superpower, which we should be, not Russia, not China. Someone’s going to be a superpower, right? We don’t want a multipolar world. But I mean, we had the Straits of Hormuz open before this did that. That’s my point. Right.
[00:11:44] ALEX JONES
But I think the strategy is, I think Trump’s strategy, from what I understand, is to keep it closed. And this degrades Iran’s ability to export and even manage its own oil. Yeah, but that also hurts us. That gun kicks as hard as it shoots.
[00:12:03] NAOMI WOLF
Okay, well, I guess I don’t see that. I guess what I see is... Well, Trump says let’s have some short-term pain for long-time gain. We’re on the verge of economic collapse.
[00:12:12] ALEX JONES
The economist I talked to said this is the only thing that could screw us over with the recovery. Because one thing, if we were like 10 years ago, we’re on the verge of default with $40 trillion. And so Trump’s like Kamikaze Canada, you know, and yeah, we’ll defeat them. But then even a few percentage points hurting us drives us underwater. That’s my point. It’s not like I’m a huge hockey fan and worship maple leaves or something. And I don’t dislike Canadians. But I mean, I just... It didn’t want to think that they weren’t building nuclear weapons aimed at us. I mean, I just don’t see how you can align or, you know, turn a blind eye to that kind of threat. I’m not, but North Korea has up to 50-something nukes. I mean, my point is Iran’s already got nukes. Okay, well, Israel getting...
[00:12:59] NAOMI WOLF
This whole thing now, Pakistan pumped up its nuclear umbrella. Everybody’s running under it. See how that... I was already thinking about that. So it doesn’t matter if Iran has nukes because we can... No, no. We surveilled the whole thing. Okay, let’s address the elephant in the room, Alex. What about Pakistan? Oh, no, Pakistan. Again, our CIA geniuses, A.Q. Khan... I’m going to speak to the elephant in the room. If Iran takes out Israel, we are going to be completely defenseless without one of our most trusted allies, whatever your criticisms, one’s criticisms of the state of Israel. Well, if they’re not fighting over there and being a beachhead of alliance for our values in the Middle East, we are completely at the mercy of 35 united fundamentalist Muslim countries who think of us as the great Satan
[00:13:49] ALEX JONES
and who are sending their billions...
[00:13:51] NAOMI WOLF
No, if they attack... It’s kind of too late if they attack us with a nuclear weapon, Alex. Oh, the Tinker Toys the Iranians have? A-bombs? You don’t know. They weren’t building nuclear weapons.
[00:14:07] ALEX JONES
This all began because they wouldn’t let the inspectors... They wouldn’t... Naomi, let me give you a newsflash. They have dozens of atomic bombs. So...
[00:14:16] NAOMI WOLF
So how is that okay with you? That’s not okay. That is very dangerous. But we’re pushing them into using them. They’re lunatics. I would rather take out crazy fundamentalist tyrants who have, you know, numberless nuclear warheads, as you’ve just acknowledged, in one of the most dangerous conflict-ridden parts of the world than turn a blind eye to the growing threat since they’ve made their wishes clear. All I’m saying is they got Hiroshima and Nagasaki-type bombs, for my information.
[00:14:47] ALEX JONES
That’s like a BB gun compared to a howitzer. And all I’m saying is, is that from all the actuaries I’ve seen, this pushes them in to using those. And then, in most war games, it turns into a full nuclear war. That’s my concern.
[00:15:01] NAOMI WOLF
Have they used them? It’s been six months. Have they used them? No, but now they’re admitting they basically have them. They’re saying they might. I’m sorry. I’m not laughing because it’s funny. I’m just laughing because I’m familiar with, I don’t know how to put this nicely, fundamentalist Islamic rhetoric. We’ll use them. We’ll use them. Great Satan. Five months in, six months in, we’re really going to build that nuclear bomb. I mean, to me, just looking as a kind of amateur. They know they’re going to get nuked into oblivion if they use them. They, I am not seeing an Iran in a position of power. I’m seeing that President Trump’s sustained warfare combat against them is degrading them. And the other thing I kind of want you all to think about is headlines want war to be over in a week. But if you think about the history of warfare, many, many successful wars were sieges. And that’s what I think we’re seeing. No, they’re wars of attrition. That’s right. And I don’t think President Trump is naming his strategy because he’s too strategic to tell everyone, hey, idiots, this is a war of attrition. Sit tight. It’s working. But that’s what I see. I mean, you know, my husband was in Israel three weeks ago and people were, you know, sunbathing on the beaches and playing volleyball. And, you know, all the religions were going to prayer and they’re, you know, completely protected mosques and synagogues and churches. And if Iran was in a position of power, that whole country would be a smoking ruin right now. They’ve been wanting to get rid of Israel for decades. And they haven’t. They didn’t even strike Israel effectively because of Iron Dome. They haven’t struck the United States. Meanwhile, day by day, we’re increasingly becoming the, you know, the owners of 60 percent of the world’s energy reserves. And we’re crippling Iran’s ability to export their own oil. And now Scott Bessent, that genius Yale classmate I’m proud to claim, is crippling the money flow that didn’t just fund Iran’s strength at home and maybe, you know, their ability to build nuclear bombs that they would aim at us. He’s also crippled their funding of terrorists here at home. Rama Duwaji, the first lady of New York, reposted an approving post about rapes on October 7th. You know, Hasan Piker says he wants the cat to see.
[00:17:39] ALEX JONES
No, I agree. So here’s where we can agree that we have a serious Islamic problem and the left has adopted transgenderism and expansionist Orthodox Islam as its operating system. And also women killing their children. So I 100 percent agree with you on that. I agree. Like, I don’t want my main focus obsessing over disagreements with Trump. And it doesn’t matter if you do what you do anyways. We need to start focusing on post-Trump. We need to focus on the red-green alliance. So let’s talk about these guys because these are violent revolutionaries. They say they are. And where’s Joseph McCarthy when you need him? Yeah, he could be one of the most mischaracterized people in American history. In retrospect, maybe he was right. Maybe they really were communists. Reds under every bed. And it really was a threat.
[00:18:33] NAOMI WOLF
I hear you, but I guess what I would urge you is that short term, it’s really crucial to get out the vote in the midterms and to remind people that as mad as they might be about President Trump for, you know, one or the other thing that they think he should be delivering that he isn’t. The alternative is quarantine camps for you and me, Alex Jones, like literally as soon as— Oh, the Democrats are going to bring back plandemics. No, I’m not just agreeing with you to agree a little bit. That’s my pull is that I want Trump to be this purist. But then as I become a realist and think about how bad they are—I mean, that’s why I’m mad at even some of my friends—fawning over Hunter. Hunter’s dad triggered this whole war. They did the lockdowns. They said arrest people that don’t take the shots. We cannot forget that this is an enemy literally at the door. You’re absolutely right. Wait, your friends are fawning over Hunter Biden? I must have missed those episodes. No,
[00:19:32] ALEX JONES
I mean, have you seen all the interviews with Hunter Biden like he’s Jesus and he knows everything and he’s a great guy? Oh, that’s madness. What theater is being concocted now? My goodness. Hunter Biden, the drug addict. Hunter Biden, the son of President Biden. The guy that poses with like 12-year-old girls in trophy photos. No, my point is, is that, yeah, there’s this thing. Just because some people are pissed at Trump, I don’t understand this full amnesia about the Democrats that have now been testicized. Oh, no, I’m not even talking about Tucker. I love Tucker. My point is, is that. Oh, my gosh. I had missed that. That’s a shocker. Wow. Okay. Well, something happened to Tucker Carlson. I mean, you know, God bless him.
[00:20:32] NAOMI WOLF
But, I mean, look, Alex, you know, we’ve been old friends, I hope, long distance for many years. I will always respect you so much. There is a weird thing going on on the MAGA right where there’s this like eruption of anti-Semitism, anti-Israel venom and hostility toward Trump, which I think has to be engendered by our enemies that are trying to split us up. And specifically to split up Jews and Christians in America who have always had a traditional alliance with one another. I mean, we come from the same cultural root. We come from the same religious root. And if you’re a Marxist Islamist, how clever to introduce personalities and narratives on the right that destroy the trust and affiliation that Christians and Jews have, you know, had since the founding of our nation with one another. That’s my analysis. And I wish that the MAGA right, now called sometimes the MAGA right, would not fall for it. And some of my good friends, people I really love, have just embraced these weird conspiracy theories about Jews and this weird hostility toward Israel, which isn’t even the top receiver of our foreign aid, right? And is a loyal, faithful ally.
[00:21:32] ALEX JONES
And, you know. Well, my issue is I love blowing up political correctness. And so I say let people say whatever they want. But at the same time, I am not in the red-green alliance. I do see some of the right, like, getting with that. And I’m not with the left. And I want to have a populist. You know, Trump ran on being anti-war. I think that’s, you know, the big issue here is just in general. I know he said I won’t let him have a nuclear weapon and all that. So I think that’s what the issue is. But I do think we should spend a lot of our time, let’s do that when we come back, examining all these Democrats being replaced in the primaries with foaming at the mouth people that literally will line us up against a wall and shoot us. Let’s talk about the red-green alliance when we come out. Because no one can deny that’s going on. And a bunch of churches got burned down last night. We’ll be right back with Naomi Wolf. Stay with us.
[00:22:38] ALEX JONES
But just finishing up with this, Dr. Naomi Wolf, I respect you. You’ve been a trailblazer fighting tyranny. And I believe you’re coming from a perspective of where you feel like you’re right. I think you’re a moral good person. And I don’t hate people that I disagree with a few things on. You know, this whole climate where this person is horrible or this person is terrible, we have some disagreements. I think it’s more philosophical and very complex. But I wasn’t raised to be anti-Israel. I don’t have a fetish about hating Israel. Clearly, there’s a lot of juice behind that. There’s a lot of exaggeration and twisting. But then when I see statements out of Ben-Gvir and Smotrich and the rest of them that sounds like it’s meant to inflame people and get a big conflict going and commit the U.S. to the Greater Israel Project, that goes into my equation with all of this. As much as I don’t like the mullahs, plus the Pentagon assessment is they wouldn’t fall. It wouldn’t work quickly. It would cause major blowback to our economy. Then I see BlackRock and Larry Fink happy about killing Trump’s original economic plan. See, I’ve got a lot of data points that feed into this. Oh, nuclear weapon. We’ve got to be moral. We’ve got to have a nuclear weapon. Well, what about the economic nuclear weapon? And then we lose the dollar status. We fall apart. Then Iran does whatever it wants. Plus, there’s a Pakistan nuclear umbrella. See, that was in my equation before. But I want you to be able to finish your point on that, and obviously you’ve been critical of some of the things Israel’s done in the past. My deal is you’ve got millions dead in the Ukraine conflict, so I blame the Democrats and Obama for starting that. And you’re right. We should look at who’s front and center. Almost no one’s talking about that because it’s not sexy. And the left loves the Ukraine war, but they just obsess. And I’m not defending the carnage and war crimes on both sides that happens in war that’s happened in the Middle East. But definitely Israel sucks the air out of the room. And then I see the Israeli leaders like Netanyahu who doesn’t want to go to prison. He is using that for his own political gain. And I’m not being cynical when I say that. I don’t think anybody can deny that. I’m trying to find the way out of this disaster.
[00:24:52] NAOMI WOLF
So I don’t really understand what you just said. I’m sorry. What is the question? I mean, I’m not.
[00:25:00] ALEX JONES
I am saying that Ben-Gvir, that’s the intelligence chief, is like, we’re going to burn all of Lebanon. We’re taking Lebanon. We’re taking part of Syria. Every time Trump has a peace deal, Israel goes and sabotages it. You’ve got the Israeli NDAA. You know, we don’t need your money anymore. We don’t need your money anymore. Jumping in, jumping in. Every time Trump has a peace deal, Israel goes and sabotages it.
[00:25:25] NAOMI WOLF
Who was responsible for October 7th?
[00:25:42] ALEX JONES
I mean, Israel founding Hamas and Netanyahu standing down for seven and a half hours. Israel was responsible for men coming over the border, raping women, killing babies, rounding up families, elders, butchering people, taking innocent people hostage, not soldiers. There’s raping women some more, keeping them in tunnels, raping them again, murdering some of them. Yeah, well, I’m not defending Hamas or Hezbollah that helped coordinate that. No one’s debating that. Israel helped found Hamas and Netanyahu was there. I love you.
[00:25:59] NAOMI WOLF
I love you, I love you, but you literally said Israel was responsible for October 7th, unless I misheard you. Yeah, Israel helped. Yeah, well, I mean, here’s the deal. If I go, I’m saying, are you denying Israel found Hamas? You’re saying they made war. Are you actually saying Israel made war on their own people on October 7th? Yeah, like 9-11, our government was heavily involved.
[00:26:35] ALEX JONES
I mean, Naomi, Israel is on record helping found Hamas, and Netanyahu was covertly paying them through Qatar. Well, I mean, we helped found, if you want to go that direction, like the Taliban. We helped found any number of, you know, psycho militias throughout the world.
[00:26:55] NAOMI WOLF
I don’t know if Israel helped found Hamas, but I do know that those were innocent people, and that it is respectfully, I think, racist of you not to hold the men who actually crossed the border north accountable for seizing unarmed, helpless, young women and men who were at a music festival, you know, or minding their own business on their kibbutz. Like, I’m sure you can find all kinds of flaws, but those men who crossed the border were not Israelis.
[00:27:56] ALEX JONES
Sure, Naomi, you’re a smart lady. I’ve talked to you for like 17 years, and I’ve read your books. This is a very sophisticated audience, okay? And it’s what I’m telling you is, if I set up all these dominoes, like V for Vendetta, and I knock over the dominoes, obviously there’s a bunch of people responsible. I’m an Islamophobe, very proudly. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Israel is on record. The Jerusalem Post, the Times of Israel, Haaretz, left-right, admitting that Israel was instrumental to destabilize the PLO, to put in Hamas’s even more destabilizing group. Netanyahu is secretly funding him. And you’ve had top Israeli officials say, and they even came and criminally investigated Netanyahu for the stand down of seven and a half hours. Do you believe that Israel, that is very competent, one of the most competent countries in the world security-wise, and many other ways, stood down for seven and a half hours and said no main military support, and then reservists of their own came? I’m not defending the Muslims that came and did horrible atrocities, and it’s there, and we’ve got all that, and I’m against October 7th. I’m saying, who is the progenitor to sit there and put Hamas in charge, give them money? It doesn’t mean Israel ran Hamas, but set up and released Dr. Frankenstein.
[00:28:38] NAOMI WOLF
Wow. I mean, honestly, I’m kind of shocked. So I don’t know what was happening at the border. I understand that you’re saying that Israel stood down. I have no evidence of that one way or another, but I know that each one of these men who went north, who, instead of building up their own, remember, Israel had withdrawn from Gaza in 2005. They said, okay, we want peace. We’re going to leave you alone. You can have this territory. Take it back. We’re not even going to occupy it. Yeah, from the river to the sea. I’m not debating the Muslims don’t want to kill every Jew on the planet. I’m not debating that. Hold on. I’ll let you finish. Go ahead. They withdrew. They withdrew. Now, Gazans, instead of building their own society, on October 7th, whatever the circumstances, those men made the decision as soldiers, as terrorists, to cross a border of people who were leaving them alone, right, trying to live side by side with them without disturbing them. And those people did not go after military bases, Alex Jones. And there are plenty. You know, Israel’s like 30 miles wide in a lot of places. You can cross it in a few hours. You can get north to the nearest base. There’s probably one in the Negev. There’s certainly one, you know, within an hour of the Gazan border. They didn’t go to find the soldiers. They went to the music festival and they went to the kibbutz. And they are responsible for that. And they took those hostages. They raped those women. They murdered those babies. And, you know, you can point fingers at whatever leaders you want to. Why don’t you point fingers at the leaders of Hamas who don’t have to take, if you’re saying Israel, you know, facilitated the growth of Hamas instead of the PLO, which, remember, was sending people into Israel, peaceful Israel, again, to blow up civilians, right? You know, you can point fingers at leaders, but you’re leaving the fundamentalist Islamist leadership in Gaza who would rather murder Jews and Israelis and non-Jews, because a lot of non-Jews died on October 7th, innocent people, you know, rather than build up their own country. And to me, that is hideously racist, because you are absolving these Islamist fanatics of any moral responsibility. Well, that’s because I’m getting Qatari money. Hold on, Alex Jones. And you’re saying it’s Jews, it’s the Jews, it’s the Jews. And in this case, it is the Islamist terrorists. And you need to place the moral responsibility where it lies.
[00:31:17] ALEX JONES
Okay, well, you’ve gone for like three or four minutes here. And I love the magic racist term. I’m not mad at you, Naomi, but come on.
[00:31:31] NAOMI WOLF
It’s not a magic racist term. You’re saying these people are robots or zombies and that it’s the, you know, it’s Israel. Oh, no, I never said I want to deport all the Muslims.
[00:31:45] ALEX JONES
What I’m telling you is, just like Turkey and Israel worked with al-Qaeda to take control of Syria, and then now they’ve gone and made a deal with Russia, I am sick of British intelligence, U.S. intelligence, Israeli intelligence, working with these people and then turning them basically loose. And there was a seven and a half hour stand down. You know Netanyahu got criminally interviewed. You know what? Did you know the head general of the IDF said that Netanyahu basically did a stand down?
[00:31:58] NAOMI WOLF
Do you know what Hamas could have done in those seven and a half hours? Not enter Israel. That’s what Hamas could have done. But that’s a non-sequitur. Wait a minute. We had, it’s not a non-sequitur. Alex Jones, who killed those people? It’s Hamas. Dozens. Who took them hostage? It’s a false debate to say, oh, the Muslims, I’m not saying the Muslims didn’t do that. What I’m saying is, I mean, here’s the thing.
[00:32:29] ALEX JONES
If I’m a fire department chief three miles from a fire at a high-rise building, and then there’s a fire, and then I tell the fire trucks don’t go, the arsonist that set the fire is guilty, and so is the police chief or the fire chief. So my point is, it’s two separate apples and oranges. It’s two different issues there.
[00:32:46] NAOMI WOLF
There would be no fire if it weren’t for the arsonists, and you haven’t even named the arsonists. You’re just putting all the moral responsibility at their feet.
[00:33:04] ALEX JONES
No, I actually said Iran. I said day one. Iran was heavily involved training Hezbollah, and I predicted on a show with Eric Prince and Steve Bannon and Ken Paxton, like five days after, I said Israel’s going to go in and level it. It’ll turn the world against Israel. China’s the winner. Israel will rope us into war with Iran, and then that will probably cause the dollar to die.
[00:33:23] NAOMI WOLF
Well, I’m not thinking at a meta level. Honestly, I’m thinking at a human level, and what I’m looking at is absolute devastation of a civilization, a community that was flourishing and had a strong economy and actually has a beachfront that could have been directed to becoming one of the tourism destinations of the world, and Hamas chose to sacrifice all those people, innocent children, innocent women, innocent families, for two years. They would rather hold however many it was, like 29, you know, hostages, single digits, double digits hostages who were Israeli. Yeah, nobody’s saying they aren’t an absolute cult. They are people, devastation. Nobody’s saying they’re not a cult. That’s the monsters that they are. Those are the monsters that they are. And you’re attributing all of that devastation to the Jews instead of saying, hey, what’s wrong with these Islamist crazy people who would rather their own people suffer and die? Horrible devastation.
[00:34:28] ALEX JONES
Yeah, that’s an appeal to emotion. Naomi, I’m not doing that. I’m not doing that. I’m not doing that. I’m against Hamas.
[00:34:42] NAOMI WOLF
There was a ceasefire the day after the hostages were returned. There was a ceasefire the day after the hostages were returned. There could have been a ceasefire on October 8th, 2023, if the hostages had been returned. Let me raise this since you brought this up.
[00:34:56] ALEX JONES
Yeah, Ben-Gvir goes and shows his crocodile pit. He’s going to throw people in, his execution chambers. He gets the flotilla people bringing rice into Gaza and beats them up on camera. He’s not a very good spokesman for Israel, is my point. And Israel’s lost the propaganda war. Israel’s launched its eighth front in the eighth front war, and I’m not getting money from Qataris or from Israel, to say what I say. I’m sitting back. It’s very human to war game it and actually come out with a larger spectrum, not just I’m being human. I’m only looking at what Hamas did. I’m looking at the girls’ school blown up, all the massive dead. Trump talking about Iran will be a glowing crater, a civilization never to return. That’s what I’m upset about, this escalating into total war.
[00:35:42] NAOMI WOLF
Did Russians do atrocities to Ukraine? Yes. Did Ukrainians do atrocities? Yes. I’m trying to end it.
[00:35:50] ALEX JONES
So to sit back and use the word racist, I mean, I guess the word would be antisemitic.
[00:35:59] NAOMI WOLF
Well, I do think it’s racist that you’re not holding the people accountable who were responsible for this devastation. If they had stayed in Gaza on October 7th and looked after their own women and children in schools and hospitals, none of this would have happened.
[00:36:07] ALEX JONES
No, that’s, again, a false equivalency. When I said, in general, when you fund Hamas and then you stand down and it’s your country being attacked, then that’s like a capo or a mafia, Don. You know, in the mafia who sends people out on a mission, they don’t even know they work for him, and then saying he’s less guilty.
[00:36:28] NAOMI WOLF
Well, Alex Jones, we funded the Taliban.
[00:36:36] ALEX JONES
Are we responsible for all the atrocities that the Taliban is committing now that we’re no longer in Afghanistan?
[00:36:43] NAOMI WOLF
I would say yes. I would say yes. I mean— Israel isn’t in Gaza. Israel isn’t— Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
[00:36:50] ALEX JONES
I blame the U.S. government and Lindsey Graham and, before him, John McCain, the tens—hundreds of billions overall, two radical Islamic groups. I mean, I call out the U.S. government. The British went—the kings of starting it all. You know, the fact that Israel plays that game, I give Israel the point that they’re just following British models. My point is, is that the idea that I side with Hamas, who I’d put in a cannon and shoot to the moon, is not what I’m saying here, is that Israel, Smotrich, their finance minister, said three weeks ago, this is ideal. America’s fighting our war. You know, we knew it wouldn’t go quick, but we’ll destroy Iran through attrition. You said that earlier. It hurts us through attrition, too. So I’m mainly mad that it wasn’t honest that we’re going to siege warfare, and this is the thing. Oh, no, it’s Midnight Hammer. Oh, it’s strategic strides to take out their missiles and nukes. No, it’s regime change, and the dog ain’t hunting, Naomi.
[00:37:42] NAOMI WOLF
Let’s see how this ages in a year. You think the mullahs are going to fall? You think the mullahs are going to fall? Well, right now, I mean, first of all, you’re so sophisticated that you know that intelligence chiefs have many audiences, and not all of them are Americans. You know, he may be posturing for a home audience. I don’t know. He may be posturing to intimidate the enemies that surround Israel. That’s also possible. But who’s winning? Well, right now, the longer the strait stays closed, and I am granted reading from notes, Iran can’t pay soldiers or terrorists. They crash their own economies. China remains at a 44% oil import deficit. Europe is forced to buy oil from us. China doesn’t have enough liquid natural gas to power its data centers so that we can win that race. And keeping the strait closed doesn’t hurt us. We get no oil from Hormuz. The port of Corpus Christi, Texas, is having record imports and exports. So we are gaining energy dominance.
[00:38:05] ALEX JONES
Sure, and half the fertilizer to Africa comes out of the strait, one-third of the world. What about the Africans and the mass starvation that’s about to happen? Well, you know, it’s just incredible to hear you.
[00:38:28] NAOMI WOLF
Like, I love you to bits, but you’re literally championing an Islamist tyranny and Hamas. Like, you’re in bed with some really bad people right now. I’m surprised.
[00:38:51] ALEX JONES
When I got out of bed this morning, the Ayatollah was in bed with me. It was hot.
[00:39:17] NAOMI WOLF
No, I’m not trying to be mean. I just think that, you know, these are not the heroes of our geopolitics right now. Who’s winning? Well, right now, Gaza’s in ruins, tragically. You know, Israel’s doing fine. It’s startup capital of the world.
[00:39:32] ALEX JONES
You know. Sure, so I’m asking you, I asked a question earlier, Naomi. I mean, what is Israel going to do about its PR problem? What about Israel’s PR problem?
[00:39:51] NAOMI WOLF
I don’t, I don’t, I mean, I don’t think they have the best communicators in the world, but they remain our, some of our best allies. I mean, right now, Britain is doing worse on the world stage than Israel is. It’s completely emasculated, and it’s being taken over by Islamists, and they’re putting moms in jail for two years for tweets critical of immigrants. I totally agree. It’s a false equivalent.
[00:40:10] ALEX JONES
See, I’m the ultimate Islamophobe. I’m not for them. I just don’t want to be in a giant war that the Pentagon said wasn’t probably going to be winnable. See, I don’t like doing things don’t work.
[00:40:28] NAOMI WOLF
Well, I think we’re winning. You know, I think we’re winning this war, and I think Americans are doing actually really well. Our border is closed. We’re saving billions of dollars because President Trump has deported a lot of illegal immigrants. We’re, again, ascending to energy dominance. We have free speech. We have rule of law again. You know, I think it’s wonderful. And, you know, again, speaking as a mother, the hostages, the remaining living hostages are home.
[00:40:57] NAOMI WOLF
Would you rather they were still in tunnels, you know, being raped? I mean, you should hear the women who have come home from Gaza. They were, I mean, one woman was raped to death. Like, where are you, Alex Jones? These are monsters. And it is not, you know, the Jews who were responsible for those Jewish women being dragged south of the border of their own country. I never, you keep saying like, oh, what are you doing about rape women?
[00:41:17] ALEX JONES
I have nothing to do with that. I mean, are you trying to tell me that Islam doesn’t do horrible things to women? They’re blaming it on their own country. You’re blaming their suffering on the wrong people. Let me, let me, let me, let me explain to you this way. Let’s say you got a couple of starving pit bulls on methamphetamine. And then I go put a baby by their pen and open the gate for them. Are the pit bulls to blame? Or is the psycho that put the baby in with the pit bulls to blame?
[00:41:48] NAOMI WOLF
Yeah, that’s really like, I really respect you, but that is a totally disgusting analogy. She, the person who rapes the woman is responsible for her rape. And the Gazan Hamas rapists are not pit bulls. So the Muslim that threw the three-year-old into the crocodiles in England, the crocodiles are to blame, not the Muslim that threw the little kid into the crocodiles. I do not hold Israel accountable for Hamas rapists and murderers coming north of the border to kidnap innocent civilians and take them south of the border.
[00:42:13] ALEX JONES
You can blame both, right? Like, like, I don’t, you understand, like, like, I can be mad at the Muslims and know what they’re like. Like, and then I can also go, oh, Netanyahu wanted this war, so they stood down. I mean, you can do both, right? Like, right? We can walk and chew gum. Like, literally, our border, our southern border was open for four years under Biden. And, you know, I’m going to blame the rapist. I’m going to blame, sure. If Israel could have had better border security. What about judges that let a guy out that has, like, 15 rapes and five assaults and one attempted murder? I blame the guy that goes, that is released in rapes again, but I blame that judge even more because they’re smart.
[00:43:07] NAOMI WOLF
Once again, you know, Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005. The Gazans made their own decision to go north and murder and kidnap innocent civilians. And I will say that till the day I die. And I, like, I, you know, again, I love you. And I, like, I literally don’t know how you can look at men who cross the border, seize a family, a mom, two little babies, children, right? Take them in terror, seize young women. Well, they, I think Hamas had a lot of atrocities. I think Hamas had a lot of atrocities.
[00:43:27] ALEX JONES
But a lot of the original propaganda about babies in ovens wasn’t true.
[00:43:37] NAOMI WOLF
Why are you avoiding the fact that those men are responsible for what they did? And every day they kept those people.
[00:43:47] ALEX JONES
Because I’m on the Qatari payroll. Well, obviously. No, no, seriously. I didn’t say that. Listen, I’m joking. I call balls and strikes. I think the Democrats are disgusting and way more evil. And I don’t want to blow Israel off the map. And I don’t want borders to the, you know, river to the sea crap. And if I could send the Muslims, I’m being mean here, to the moon, I’d do it. My point is, is that I wanted to get on about Red-Green Alliance. They are a huge threat.
[00:44:15] NAOMI WOLF
Well, let me ask you this. What happens post-Trump? Because everybody’s obsessed with Trump.
[00:44:18] ALEX JONES
What do you see in the future for the political landscape?
[00:44:23] NAOMI WOLF
Well, like, I kind of feel like it’s pointless to try to talk to you about the Red-Green Alliance. Because I’ve just tried to point out the incredibly dangerous and immoral behavior of not just- No, you’re right. Hold on, Mamdani. Hold on, Mamdani. I’m saying what you said to her, sir. So you’re saying you won’t even talk about the Red-Green Alliance because I’m too tainted to even discuss the threat. Because, no, no, no, no, hold on, Mamdani. What do I say to her? I like your, I like your, I like your red top. Okay. Mamdani, anything else? Okay. I mean, no. I didn’t say that. I said you’re refusing to hold a group of Muslim men who committed atrocities for two years responsible. You said that. So I don’t, I feel that you are refusing to hold them responsible.
[00:44:40] ALEX JONES
No, Israel opened the door for the pit bulls to eat the toddler.
[00:44:57] NAOMI WOLF
They’re not pit bulls. They’re human beings who could have let those women go at any time.
[00:45:16] ALEX JONES
Well, I mean, okay. You’re now saying that the Hamas are, okay, I just, I don’t know what, these are mindless idiots. And they’ve also lived in like a horrible war game. They’re exonerating them. They’re not mindless.
[00:45:30] NAOMI WOLF
They knew what they were doing and they kept doing it for two years. And the minute they returned the hostages, there was a ceasefire. And I don’t know why I can’t.
[00:45:40] ALEX JONES
Naomi, I can see what Israel’s doing, committing us to a full war. What do you think of the Greater Israel project? Do you support it?
[00:45:56] NAOMI WOLF
I don’t know that it exists. I’ve never seen it in a policy paper. And what I do see is that Israel has stayed with, hasn’t just stayed within its borders and only taken more territory when it was attacked. But I’ve seen that they put up with a lot of security threats to stay, to leave the West Bank alone,
[00:46:08] ALEX JONES
to leave Gaza alone.
[00:46:09] NAOMI WOLF
Where’s that even from? What’s the source of that? Who came up with that?
[00:46:14] ALEX JONES
No, they’ve now called for a greater Israel. Ben-Gvir and others have. Naomi Wolf, I want you to come back and debate. Let’s do a two-hour debate. Let’s do a friendly debate. Who said let’s conquer Syria? Who said it? Ben-Gvir?
[00:46:29] NAOMI WOLF
Okay, he said it when? To whom? I’d have to seek a quote.
[00:46:35] ALEX JONES
Hey, don’t worry. The viewers will clip it in, and so does all of them. I mean, my God, they said burn all of Lebanon. Take it all. I mean, listen, Naomi Wolf, dailyclout.io. Hold on. Let’s do five more minutes. It’s propaganda failures. I mean, Netanyahu a year ago said they’re getting their clock cleaned. Gallup, almost unpopular country in the world. I don’t have this hard on for Israel. I don’t want this to be our main issue. This is crazy, but perception is everything. That’s where we are. So I want to give her the floor. If she wants to call me racist ten more times, that’s fine, because it’s like Mario Brothers. I eat a mushroom every time she does. I mean, the public is done with the whole system. Israel has made itself look like it’s the system. I got other fish to fry, AI, the Chi-Coms, the Globalist, the Red-Green Alliance. I said, let’s get back to the Red-Green Alliance. I gave her a lot of off-ramps into that. But instead, it’s the black hole that consumes everything in Israel. So come back on in a week. We’ll do two hours commercial-free. You can send your talking points, videos you want to play. We’ll have a full-on shindig here, because I just can’t not go against it. I just have to obsess on Israel all day. So you’ve got about four minutes left. Naomi, why don’t you have a closing comments here?
[00:47:45] NAOMI WOLF
Sure. Well, you brought up Israel. I responded honestly. I don’t have talking points about Israel. I have notes about the Strait of Hormuz. And my response to you was a very heartfelt response as a woman and as a rape survivor about who’s responsible for rapes and murders. And it’s the people who rape and murder. And I did say it was racist of you to absolve the people who raped and murdered the women and put all the responsibility at the feet of the people who run those women’s country. I think that’s nonsensical. And I really object to you diminishing the sincerity of my feelings that the people who rape women and hold them hostage in tunnels for two years aren’t responsible every single day. And not one person in that whole community helped the hostages. Not one person. So we’ll have to agree to disagree about this. But as a woman and as a rape survivor, I think it’s really gross that you’re trivializing my feelings and saying that I have talking points because I don’t. Okay. Well, I’m sorry you’re a rape survivor.
[00:48:54] ALEX JONES
I’ve never been involved in any raping, but that’s an appeal to emotion there. I would just upset Israel stood down for seven and a half hours. I think it’s wrong to throw kids in a crocodile pit. So that’s all I said.
[00:49:06] NAOMI WOLF
It’s not an appeal to emotion. It’s, again, logically insisting as a woman that the guy who grabs the running, innocent young woman and takes her back across the border to his own country, rapes her and keeps her for two years, is the one who’s morally responsible. And that happens to be a group of Muslim Islamists and not the state of Israel. And not the Jews. Like, it’s not the Jews who rape those women. So, you know, if you’re obsessed with the Jews in Israel, that’s your problem. You know, me, Israel.
[00:49:39] ALEX JONES
Well, I’m not obsessed with Israel. Israel dragging us into these wars is obsessed with me. You know, a tiny country, like, if you don’t like the people who are Jews in Israel. A tiny footprint with AIPAC and primarying members of Congress and bragging, you know, that
[00:49:57] NAOMI WOLF
good luck. Good luck with Qatar. And I don’t mean you personally. I mean, you know, Qatar, Turkey, the billions coming from Israel’s enemies are flowing onto Capitol Hill, flowing to influencers. And if you want to choose your poison, I think Israel’s, I think America is a lot better off with a staunch ally who shares our values, shares our Judeo-Christian tradition, and isn’t even the top recipient of USAID. But here’s the thing, here’s the thing. That’s a very fair statement, because that’s kind of what we’re presented.
[00:50:32] ALEX JONES
Were we with the Muslims or with the Jews? So now you’re, now you’re.
[00:50:36] NAOMI WOLF
Yeah, I’m saying you’re better off with the Jews. That’s what I’m saying. You’re way better off with the Jews. Back to why, I’m not against Israel.
[00:50:50] ALEX JONES
Why, why does it have to be, why do I have to be involved in this? You don’t have to, you can vote.
[00:51:04] NAOMI WOLF
Alex, you can vote for people who don’t do business with Israel at all. And if you choose the Red-Green Alliance, you will be voting for people. I don’t even, I don’t have, I don’t want to hurt Israel. I just don’t want, I just don’t want the ADL calling for my arrest on TV. I, you know, I, they shouldn’t call for your arrest. We have free speech, but you can vote for people who don’t do business with the ADL. And if you, you know, if you can have a, have an America with no allies, then you can dispense with Israel. But right now, Israel is a very loyal ally.
[00:51:18] ALEX JONES
All right, Naomi Wolf, great interview, powerful, amazing. DailyClout.io. Let’s do a debate soon. Let’s do it. Thank you.
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